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Kris Vallotton, Johnny Enlow, and Two Words for 2017

In the past four days, I have experienced two events that have forever marked me…

one miraculous; one devastating.

My grandson was born…healthy and beautiful and wondrous…

8 pounds and 11 ounces of promise and life…

then…

a gracious friend and business partner of twenty five years died.

A miracle…sublime perfection and joy in flesh.

and

death…an enemy still triumphant.

See…here’s the thing.  God speaks to me in certain ways. Sometimes I don’t like it. Honestly.  Last year, I heard Him say that it was the year of betrayal.  I knew the POTUS would betray Israel towards the end of the year. I told my close friend and wife.  That’s it.  I also knew that many in the Church would betray the foundation and embrace a “new” or “another” gospel. I just never expected betrayal in my own life.  My point? I can’t separate myself from what I “hear”. Prophecy. Prophets. The “prophetic”. Blah…blah…blah.  Another word for the year? Another 2017 prediction? Yah…I am sick of it. I don’t understand how they can do it.  What are they doing to themselves…let alone their followers?  It seems to be more about the messenger than the message…that special day or event where the prophet releases his word.  Hah.  I want to give you two examples.  Please stick with me through this…maybe this “word” for 2017 will be different than the usual yearly “prophetic word”

 

In 2016, Kris Vallotton predicted…

 “a Russian “reformation”…

 a “spiritual awakening that is unprecedented in modern history”…

every city(in Russia) filled with joy and prosperity…

medical breakthroughs, inventions and innovations…

an historic economic boom as Russia exports their medical cures, automobiles (two new brands of cars even) and inventions to the nations of the world

great collaborations between government, commerce and business

corporations moving to the land (Russia) to be celebrated and empowered

great incentives given by the government to those that created wealth…lessons taken right out of the parables of the Talents and the Minas that Jesus told.

the righteous reigned in the land and a Jesus movement that will touch the entire world will be birthed in the universities, beginning in Moscow…

Russia becomes another big brother to Israel and makes a tridimensional covenant with her…

a cord of three strands which is not quickly torn apart

this partnership released a new era of forgiveness, security, and prosperity in both countries…

 

End of Kris Vallotton’s 2016 prophecy.

Now…he can cover his “prophetic butt” and say that we didn’t pray or intercede enough…

or he might say that he was seeing something future and the seeds were planted in 2016

or who knows what he could say or would say.

But, I will say this…

The exact opposite happened. Again…the exact opposite happened.

Russia grew…expanded its influence…erased the boundaries in the Middle East fought for during the “cold war”…manipulated and influenced the world in ways not seen in decades…and along with China, Venezuala, and Obama…betrayed/attacked Israel by using the U.N. Security Council.

In other words…nothing has changed. No reformation has started. No revival. No medical discoveries. No new automobiles…and definitely no new brotherhood and protection or defense of Israel by Russia and Putin.

Kris Vallotton prophecied out of his own narrative/filter and soul.

It was false. Wrong. Some would say…an abomination.

He won’t be held to account

He is too big to fail.

He is too popular and charismatic…

People will give him a pass…ah New Testament prophets get it wrong once in a while.

Guess what?

He perpetuated a man-centered, cross-less, narrative that is being pushed by many in the “signs and wonders”, “heaven to earth”, NAR hype-machine.

The charismatic (and I am a charismatic) ritualistic, “spiritual” service of worship and prophecy and experience is a denial of the true power of the Gospel….THE CROSS.  (For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.)

Now…let me give you an example of a “word” for 2017

Johnny Enlow says concerning 2017…

For clarity’s sake, what I am saying is that God is going to so bless America that for the next 30 years, at least, she will become progressively more beautiful in every way. This Reformation Glory Train is going to ride back and forth and up and down our whole nation and will be accompanied by millions of reformation angels as it travels. If Revival Glory produces “gold dust” as a sign and wonder, then Reformation Glory is going to produce “gold bars” equivalents as a sign and wonder.

In my old notebook, I wrote that 2017-2019 would be 3 years of great glory. I didn’t at that time even have 7 mountain language or a real understanding of Reformation, and so I lacked those descriptives back in 2004. However, I did write that in these years “healing will be the children’s bread”- meaning it would become very common and easy to obtain. I wrote, “the supernatural will be commonplace…angels will be easily visible…and translations and transportations in the spirit would be increasingly common,” as would new “amazing signs and wonders.”

What is an old narrative or wineskin? One that sees judgment, rapture, the antichrist, or the beast right around every corner. These are the early days of the kingdom age. A new era of renaissance is now firmly upon us. If you will plan and set your life around that reality you blue hairs (those over 50) can be the Joshua and Caleb’s of today. Joshua and Caleb were both over 80 when Israel crossed into the Promised Land. They were the two oldest men in Israel. If you will begin to think like them your bodies will begin to take the cues and your strength and health will be renewed.

For those from other nations, know that America becoming beautiful is only a piece of the puzzle. If you can rise high enough in the spirit and see the coming years you will note that the whole earth is becoming a beautiful garden… get on the Reformation Glory Train and ride prosperously. This is the age of restoration and the era of renaissance in the advanced knowledge of God.”

 

Again…hogwash!

False…wrong…not true…same old same old.

Gold bricks? Angels easily visible?

New amazing signs and wonders?

If you can rise high enough (?)  you will see that the whole earth is becoming a beautiful garden?

A “prophet” expanding his narrative…his filter…NOT from the heart of God.

This stuff is popular. Guess what ?

It is no different than the “fake news” that is spread in various media outlets.

It is no different than the “reporting” of the media during the election cycle.

It is the same spirit.

Sensationalism.  Distortions. Magnifications. Lies.

The same root…money…popularity…and selling a narrative.  Forcing a filter to produce excitement in the readers/listeners and grooming followers.

I will say it…the spirit in the “prophetic” is the same spirit that is in the world.

Do I think Kris Vallotton or Johnny Enlow are purposeful liars ?

No. I really don’t. But…

I do think that they partake of the same delusional liberal/progressive spirit that drives the media machine.  Spin a tale large enough…and people will believe it.  That is the way of man.

In 2017, let’s reject the foolish prognostications and inflated expectations of man-centered, cross-less prophets.

Don’t listen to the voices that use the death of a “superstar” (whether it’s Prince, David Bowie, or George Michael) to illustrate their prophetic word.

Or someone who uses the Super Bowl half time show or score to explain what God is doing.

Or numbers 5777 or 777 or whatever.

Stop the insanity.  It is not God. It is man. Man. MAN.

 

After all of that…I have a word for you. Two words actually…

Simplicity and supremacy…

“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” 2 Cor 11:3

“And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.”Col 1:18

The simplicity that is in Christ.  The supremacy of Christ.

Jesus Christ…firstborn from among the dead…without pretence or hypocrisy…the only answer for deception..the only answer for man.

Supreme Servant.

Simply God.

We need to return to those two messages (and they are one message).

We need to reject any message that inflates man and reduces Jesus Christ.

We need to speak out and question men and ministries that continually push a narrative and not Jesus Christ.

Guess what?

The simplicity that is in Christ and the supremacy of Christ meet at the Cross.

Out of that is birthed the answer to deception and beguilement and the answer to and for man.

That has never changed. It never will.

Let’s get back to the simple Gospel…getting people saved and healed…lets drop the (man-centered) foolish cries to takeover Hollywood or rule nations or …

Let’s return to making Jesus Christ supreme.  His will. His ways. His Person.

Give birth to a new vision of His majesty and supremacy and through that…let man and his messages and ways and lies…simply…die.

I will end with a word for the “prophets” of today.  Kris and Johnny ?  It’s from the Apostle Paul.

It starts like this…

“Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus..”

Manifested Sons of God: Message of the Enemies of the Cross?

The enemies of the cross wield a two-edged sword. One edge is the self-esteem edge…this would be found in the teachings of Joel Osteen or Joseph Prince.  A message that stresses “you” and “your best life”, “grace” and the “goodness” of God over and against anything else found in Scripture or reality. It is a feelings based and appearance based Christianity.  A kind of Kingdom of Cognitive (Christian)Therapy…feeling good and looking good is god. If you mention the cross or the cost…you will be labeled a Pharisee, religious, or judgmental.  Encouragement is important. It is not the Gospel. It is not central to our walk.  Grace is essential, but is never the excuse.  Many who support a Joel Osteen or a Joseph Prince have never encountered the Cross.  Many attend their meetings, read their books, and follow them on Twitter, but don’t know Christ and if they do…they don’t understand the walk or depth of our calling.

The other edge of the sword is the Dominion/Kingdom Now/Nar/Manifested Sons of God message. This is the edge that takes the man-centered gospel of “feeling good” and inflates into a mandate for the Church. Add a little leaven to the Kingdom of Cognitive (Christian) Therapy and it grows into a message of godhood.  It is the “kingdom” message as written by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. It appeals to the masses and is mastered by men who misunderstand the nature of Jesus Christ (and His message) or by men who believe their mandate is the answer.  The cross was merely the starting point for them to, “Go forth and conquer.”

Man inflates.

Man creates a narrative and pushes it no matter the cost.

Man has always and will always want to be his own savior, lord, or king and will always choose to “serve” by controlling or dominating.

Man wants power; wants the feeling of being in charge; and ultimately vindication.

The Cross deflates.

The Cross is the narrative and is its own cost.

The Cross is the power of God and the answer to and for man…believers included.

Remember…many in Israel missed the purpose and work of Jesus Christ because they expected Him to destroy Rome’s dominion, take the throne of David,  and govern from Jerusalem. They did not understand or accept the Cross. Today…many (of the same spirit) are now saying that the Church’s mandate is to do what Jesus didn’t do the first time. They do not understand or accept the Cross.

This is a bit personal for me.  My uncle left me his library many years ago.  It was full of books and audiotapes of William Branham’s sermons/teachings.  When I first was born from above (coming out of Mormonism) I went to a church where the pastor idolized William Branham and John Alexander Dowie. Branham pushed the manifested sons of God theology/latter rain etc…, He gave it a voice.  Others have picked it up…especially Earl Paulk.  Oh…by the way…if you use Branham to prove your points on Christology or if your teaching is similar to his..YOU NEED HELP.  Likewise…if you base your marriage on the practices of John Alexander Dowie…YOU NEED HELP.

Here are a few examples of the shades and shadows of the “modernized” manifested sons of God theology.

Bill Johnson version…

There are measures and levels of anointing that cause the reality of the Scripture to change for us. A generation is forming now that will walk in an anointing that has never been known by mankind, including the original 12 disciples. This generation won’t need natural illustrations to help them understand what their spiritual task is. They will move into spiritual territory that defies the natural order. God wants to give us revelations and experiences of Heaven that have no earthly parallel. Jesus told Nicodemus, “If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things ?” (John 3:12) He longed to talk about things that His disciples were not ready to receive…Jesus walked in an anointing of the Spirit beyond measure.  He constantly illustrated superior truths by stepping outside the boundaries of nature. The more you and I become empowered and directed by the Spirit of God, the more our lives should defy natural principles, and release the spiritual realities God intended for us to enjoy. (Shifting Shadows of Supernatural Power p.191)

Rick Joyner version…

The apostles will rule the Church through establishing independent churches, unaffiliated with the corrupt denominations. The exception which is currently underway, is that denominational churches would abandon  being separate, join the movement coming under their leadership. It is essential to the Latter Rain movement for the church to be unified as one, under a central leadership.  Otherwise Christ cannot be incarnated (manifested) in the Church and give his power to conquer the world for Christ.

That the world will be conquered through an elite group of overcomers who produce signs and wonders unlike anything ever seen, even in the early church by the apostles. This they believe will lead us to the greatest revival of history. An endtime harvest of billions of souls, where the majority of the world will be won to Christ and the kingdom would be established or ready to be received by Christ. “This harvest will be so great that no one will look back at the early church as a standard; all will be saying that the Lord has certainly saved His best wine for last. The early church was a firstfruits offering, truly this will be a harvest! It was said of the Apostle Paul that he was turning the world upside down; it will be said of the apostles soon to be anointed that they have turned an upside down world right side up. Nations will tremble at the mention of their name.” (Rick Joyner, Restoration, may/June 1988, the Harvest)

“Angelic appearances will be common to the saints and a visible glory of the Lord will appear upon some for extended periods of time as power flows through them. There will be no plague, disease, or physical condition, including lost limbs, AIDS, poison gas, or radiation, which will resist the healing and miracle gifts working in the saints during this time” (Rick Joyner, The Harvest, 128-129)

Bill Hamon version…

“The Church will gain victory over the last enemy, death. Victory speaks of a battle being fought. The last day saints will wage and win a warfare against death. The last generation saints will come to translating faith in preparation for participation in the translation.” (The Eternal Church, P.349)

“The Earth and all of creation is waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God, the time when they will come into their maturity and immortalization… When the Church receives its full inheritance and redemption then creation will be redeemed from its cursed condition of decay, change and death… the Church has a responsibility and ministry to the rest of creation. Earth and Its natural creation Is anxiously waiting for the Church to reach full maturity and come to full sonship. When the Church realizes its full sonship, its bodily redemption will cause a redemptive chain reaction throughout all of creation.” (Bill Hamon p. 385 The Eternal Church)

 

Johnny Enlow version…

“We have entered an age when aging will be reversed.  There is now a glory invading the atmosphere that carries a new grace of longevity.  It will become common for God’s kids to carry on in strength while 100 years old.  Then it will extend beyond that.  I see this new descending glory as a cloud touching our atmosphere.  It is necessary to live “tall” enough to touch this glory.  This is not about being holy enough but about carrying the right narrative of this age of restoration of all things.  Those who will carry the glory of this His story will begin to see this shift in their own bodies.  This is not going to be able to be accessed if you are in “I’ll fly away” mode.  If your mind is in escape mode your body will follow.  Rather this will be a progressive reality for those willing to contend for the goodness of God in the land of the living.”

Jonathan Welton (author of Raptureless)  version…

“You are an ambassador and citizen of heaven. You have the fullness of the Godhead in you. You are not to live merely as a human. Yet we must not forget that we live in an active warzone with a rebellious defeated enemy that won’t quit fighting.” (FB post)

“Clement of Alexandria, one of the early Church fathers, described the atonement this way: “The Logos of God had become man so that you might learn from a man how a man may become God.” Similarly, the third century theologian, Origen, wrote, “From Christ began the union of the Divine with the human nature in order that the human, by communion with the Divine, might rise and also become Divine.” Athanasius, a significant father within the Eastern Orthodox Church, had a grasp of the incarnation and an understanding of God apart from the Platonism that muddled Augustine’s thinking. About the incarnation, he wrote, “The Word was made man so that we might be made God.”

Quotes like these can sound scary to a lot of people. It sounds too much, perhaps, like claiming to be God. However, our participation in the divine nature is really important to our identity as the Bride of Christ, because Christ needs to marry an equal. This, of course, does not mean we become God. The Trinity, the Godhead, is uncreated divinity, self-existing, eternal, always omnipresent and omnipotent. The Godhead is unique and will never be replicated. However, as the Bride of Christ, we become “created divinity”. God incarnated to help humans become incarnate…”

“As citizens of heaven (Phil. 3:20), and as ambassadors of heaven (2 Cor. 5:20), we are here with a mission. Jesus is not coming back until we finish the “Apostolic Mission” the mission of the Apostolos, to implement the Culture of Heaven into the Culture of the Earth.

Yes, someday the Church will have completed this mission. Sons and daughters of King Jesus will know who they are and will live out their identity as righteous people. Suffering will be brought to a minimum in the earth realm. Sin will have been massively decreased. The sex industry will have collapsed and broken families will be restored. People will live longer, healthier and more joy-filled lives. There will be no more orphans, no more starvation, and sickness will be rare.

All the enemies of God will bow under Jesus’ feet until finally death is put under His feet as the last foe (1 Cor. 15:26). All other foes will be subdued as we put them under our feet (Romans 16:20).

The day will come when the culturing of the Apostolos has completed the Apostolic Mission. On that day, Jesus will be able to touch His toe to earth in physical form and finally say as the Roman Emperor’s did in days past, “This place feels a lot like home!”(Raptureless pp.233-34)

Martin Trench (Co-author of Victorious Eschatology with Harold Eberle ) version…

“I don’t know how you imagine it; maybe as some futuristic utopia, or maybe like the beautiful paradise of Pandora in the movie Avatar (minus the scary reptiles and the mercenary invaders), but whatever metaphor we imagine, the future is bright, because God is moving in many ways, exposing corruption, inspiring change, increasing our knowledge, working through all people and all creation to lead is onto a brighter, better world – a truly Golden Age. In this current Age we live in, we get the opportunity to “taste and see that the Lord is good!” (Psalm 34:8) we get to have a foretaste of “the powers of the Age to come” (Hebrews 6:5). It seems, in the context of the book of Hebrews (which is all about the very near end of the Old Covenant and its Age, and the full meaning of the Old Covenant symbols and promises as fulfilled spiritually in Christ and in our lives as his followers), the writer is telling his readers that not only should they now totally discard all the trappings of the former Age, and not only should they live in the reality of a new life of faith in Christ in this Age, but he tells them that what they are experiencing in this newly born Age is simply a foretaste of what is to come in the next Age – as the kingdom is ever-increasing, so their foretaste is destined to increase and enlarge until it blossoms into another, yet future, coming Age where such experiences are normal, common place, part of life.

If our eyes were opened, to quote Elizabeth Barrat Browing – “Earth’s crammed with heaven, And every common bush afire with God; But only he who sees, takes off his shoes – The rest sit round it and pluck blackberries” – we would see that “ever bush is ablaze ” – Moses eyes were opened. He saw the blazing glory of that other world shining and burning in a non destructive way through the bush. But one day it will be as if heaven and earth merge into one – the whole universe suddenly evolves into an upgrade, as it is visible, tangibly, eternally infused with the life-force of God’s very self – the whole of creation is divinized, it becomes timeless, no longer subject to decay, because that is only a phenomena of time. And what about us? We have had this wonderful “Age-enduring life” in our “spiritual bodies” expressing our individual separateness still, to a certain extent. But now, we all become fully divinized as well. I don’t image that we will “lose ourselves” in God, but I think we will be fully God-realized, for want of a better term. I suppose there is a better term in theology, it called Theosis – the experience of being divinized by being so full in union with God, that the two are one – not just it principle, but in experience. That is when “the end shall come”. “(http://martintrench.com/the-ancient-biblical-teaching-of-the-ages-part-8/)

 

Any thoughts ?

 

 

 

 

Apostolic Council on Eschatology, NAR Preterism, and Another Gospel

A day after C. Peter Wagner died, I noticed a Facebook post by Jim Wies.  Here is what it said…

“At the apostolic summit tonight, the spirit of prophecy filled the place in a profound way, and the Lord declared that on this day when Dr. C. Peter Wagner passed on to his reward, God has raised up a theologian to carry on the legacy of shaping the theological perspective of what Dr. Wagner declared to be the New Apostolic Reformation. So then leadership blessed Jonathan Welton and prayed for a new mantle.”

And then there was a picture of Jonathan Welton surrounded by others, being prayed for.

Read my blog to find information on Welton and his teachings…but first let me give you a quote from Jonathan Welton’s FB page from yesterday,

“You are an ambassador and citizen of heaven. You have the fullness of the Godhead in you. You are not to live merely as a human. Yet we must not forget that we live in an active warzone with a rebellious defeated enemy that won’t quit fighting.”

Combine that with what I wrote about last week (here is the quote from his book Understanding the Whole Bible) and what do you get ??

“Clement of Alexandria, one of the early Church fathers, described the atonement this way: “The Logos of God had become man so that you might learn from a man how a man may become God.” Similarly, the third century theologian, Origen, wrote, “From Christ began the union of the Divine with the human nature in order that the human, by communion with the Divine, might rise and also become Divine.” Athanasius, a significant father within the Eastern Orthodox Church, had a grasp of the incarnation and an understanding of God apart from the Platonism that muddled Augustine’s thinking. About the incarnation, he wrote, “The Word was made man so that we might be made God.”

Quotes like these can sound scary to a lot of people. It sounds too much, perhaps, like claiming to be God. However, our participation in the divine nature is really important to our identity as the Bride of Christ, because Christ needs to marry an equal. This, of course, does not mean we become God. The Trinity, the Godhead, is uncreated divinity, self-existing, eternal, always omnipresent and omnipotent. The Godhead is unique and will never be replicated. However, as the Bride of Christ, we become “created divinity”. God incarnated to help humans become incarnate…”

I don’t have much to say about Jonathan Welton anymore.  He says enough on his own.

There are other members of this Apostolic Council on Eschatology that is propelling Jonathan Welton into the position of theologian for the NAR.

Martin Trench is on the council. (please see my post Victorious Eschatology An Example of Roots or Results) New Age guru and professional in building mega-churches.

Joe Mcintyre is on the council.  Here is part of a Facebook post he put up today…

“There is no gospel of salvation. Salvation is just one aspect of the Kingdom. Father is not trying to get us to heaven, He is determined to bring heaven to earth.

God has demonstrated His power in raising Jesus from the dead and enthroning Him with all authority in heaven and on EARTH!

The gospel of the kingdom is not about getting to heaven. It’s about demonstrating the goodness of God to the inhabitants of this earth and inviting them to accept our King.”

Matthew Hester is on the council.  Check out his Dominion Mandate/Manifesto on his DominionChurch.net site…Here is a small quote on his beliefs…

“The word “eklessia” means “those who are called out to rule!” This describes who we are. Theologians differ over how much of the planet will be totally subdued before the Lord comes back. That should not be our concern. Our concern should be that we are headed in that direction, flowing in our dominion assignment, knowing that He is coming back to a battle-tested, obedient Bride (Rev 19:6-7). When He comes we will become immortal and remain on the earth to rule and reign with Him. Until then, we have work to do. Psa 110:1 and Acts 3:21 tells us that we are to subdue the enemies of Christ and present them at His feet to be His footstool!

Our Dominion Assignment addresses 3 major areas of human life:

  1. We are to bring the Gospel to fallen individuals
  2. We are to bring redemption to fallen institutions (family, church, economic order, civil government)
  3.  We are to bring rebellious spirits under  Christ’s authority. This will happen city by city and nation by nation.

J.D. King is on the council.  Here is an excerpt from his October 18th blog.

“If men are by essence evil, then Jesus who was without sin was not really a man. The Bible declares,“it was necessary for Jesus to be made in every respect like us” (Hebrews 2:17). Some overleverage the Lord’s virgin birth to solve this conundrum. Their argument is that since Jesus’ humanity only stems from Mary, He avoided the imputation of sin – because it is supposedly passed through the earthly father. I certainly adhere to the truth of the virgin birth, but I think that it’s sometimes twisted to make Jesus into a different sort of man. It’s difficult to argue that Jesus genuinely represents humanity if He wasn’t truly like us in every way.

Let me get down to my underlying point. We live in a desperately fallen world where there is a vicious propensity toward sin. With the single exception of Jesus, everyone ultimately becomes the embodiment of this corruption. However, that is not because of biology or ancestry. It is because of our own deplorable choices.

Nevertheless, sin isn’t our essence. It is a tragic degradation of God’s design! It is the failure to live up to who we were made to be. Through our own foolish acts of defiance, we have fallen short of the glory (Romans 3:23).

Keep in mind that the problem is not with Adam. It’s with you.”

There are other members. You can check it out here. http://www.endtimecouncil.com/

I am worried about where this is going.  It is not good. Sound the alarm.  There is a connection between preterism/partial, and its teachers, and  the “heaven to earth” message and the NAR.

The sad part is how many people just accept stuff.  Don’t say a word. Never protest or check.

Are we asleep ?  or do we just not care anymore ?

 

 

 

 

Harold Eberle, Jonathan Welton, the NAR….and another Jesus

Here are a few quotes from Harold Eberle’s book Systematic Theology for the New Apostolic Reformation An Exposition in Father-Son Theology..

“Instead of identifying my use  of the Bible with either inerrancy or infallibility, I will use terminology that has recently become popular among Bible teachers who hold to the validity of the Scriptures. I take the Bible seriously.”

“…I am well-acquainted with creationism, but today I am not a strict creationist.”

“We will see human nature in a more positive light than Classical/Reformed theology teaches. Coming from the perspective of Father-Son theology and wanting to correct some errors of Classical/Reformed theology, I can say, “People are not that bad.”

“Humanity is not eternally separated from God because of Adam’s sin.”

Jesus emptied Himself. This does not mean that He ceased being God. Paul explained that Jesus continued existing in the form of God. However, while being God, He emptied Himself.

This truth, that Jesus emptied Himself, has profound implications upon how we should live. This is because if Jesus laid aside all of His divine attributes, then He lived without using His own divine power. This means Jesus had to depend upon the Holy Spirit to work in and through Him. Since Jesus lived successfully and powerfully depending upon the Holy Spirit, then we can live successfully and powerfully depending upon the same Holy Spirit.

To see this more clearly, envision how Jesus would have lived if He had maintained and used His own divine powers. If Jesus resisted sin and worked miracles out of the power of His divine nature, then we have no reason to think that we can do what He did. We are not divine, so we should not expect to live successfully or powerfully.

On the other hand, since Jesus truly set aside His divine powers, He succeeded at living without sin and working miracles without depending upon His divinity. Since we have the same nature that Jesus took upon Himself, then we should be able to do what He did.”

“In summary, we can say that God is neither timeless, nor impassible, nor omniscient, nor sovereign, nor totally self-sufficient, nor invulnerable….because He is relational, He is Covenant-Maker, and He loves us. “

“The Classical/Reformed idea that God is wholly other is not in the Bible.  The overall message of the Bible is not that God is different and unreachable to humanity.  The Bible actually emphasizes how humans are like God.  Adam and Eve were created in His image and likeness.  God breathed His own spirit (ruach, in Hebrew) into humanity (Gen 2:7).  In Acts 17:27, Paul explained that God is very near to every

“Immutable, impassable, perfect, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, self-sufficient, transcendent, wholly other, immanent, unknowable and incomprehensible…..The only characteristic in the above list that can be supported by Scripture is God’s immanence.”

Rather than totally rejecting the concept of evolution, Bible-believing Christians should, at the very least, note the God-given ability of plants and animals to adapt to their environment and change within their own kind. Note, however, the source of the power causing the change.  According to the theory of evolution, all changes that happen to plants and animals are due to chance mutations followed by natural selection.  It is believed that natural selection allows the beneficial mutations to continue and, therefore, be passed on to offspring.  This understanding does not recognize any force pushing living things in a positive direction.  Instead, only chance mutations, selected through the survival of the fittest are assumed to move organisms forward.

In contrast, all Christians who believe the Bible should recognize a God-created force moving living things in the direction of survival and advancement.  Not only is there the possibility of change through mutation and natural selection, but there is also a positive force predetermined by the word of God.  He commanded life to come forth, and He blessed all living things.  Life will do whatever it takes to fulfill God’s command.  Scientists may have identified a force and a direction for life, but they cannot tell us why this force exists or from whence it comes.  Only theology can give the answer: plants and animals evolve because God has spoken.”

 

Here are a few Jonathan Welton quotes from Understanding the Whole Bible and Raptureless

“In summary, the one view of the atonement that fits the biblical pictures is that Jesus fulfilled the types and shadows by becoming a covenant sacrifice to make a new covenant. Much of what the Church has believed in recent years regarding the atonement is wrong:

  1. Jesus did not die in our place as a substitute.
  2. Jesus did not pay the “penalty” for our sin.
  3. Jesus did not receive the wrath of God.

“Clement of Alexandria, one of the early Church fathers, described the atonement this way: “The Logos of God had become man so that you might learn from a man how a man may become God.” Similarly, the third century theologian, Origen, wrote, “From Christ began the union of the Divine with the human nature in order that the human, by communion with the Divine, might rise and also become Divine.” Athanasius, a significant father within the Eastern Orthodox Church, had a grasp of the incarnation and an understanding of God apart from the Platonism that muddled Augustine’s thinking. About the incarnation, he wrote, “The Word was made man so that we might be made God.”

Quotes like these can sound scary to a lot of people. It sounds too much, perhaps, like claiming to be God. However, our participation in the divine nature is really important to our identity as the Bride of Christ, because Christ needs to marry an equal. This, of course, does not mean we become God. The Trinity, the Godhead, is uncreated divinity, self-existing, eternal, always omnipresent and omnipotent. The Godhead is unique and will never be replicated. However, as the Bride of Christ, we become “created divinity”. God incarnated to help humans become incarnate…”

Many people are fearful of this idea because of the imbalance and heresy that has at times risen around it. It is always important to clarify. We are not God. But He has made us partakers of His divine nature. He has implanted in us, and in the same way that Jesus is God incarnate, we are to become incarnations of God in this earth. Because of the incarnation, God lives in us. We are His temples, His presence-carriers on the earth, because we died with Christ and were raised with Him into divine life.”

“As citizens of heaven (Phil. 3:20), and as ambassadors of heaven (2 Cor. 5:20), we are here with a mission. Jesus is not coming back until we finish the “Apostolic Mission” the mission of the Apostolos, to implement the Culture of Heaven into the Culture of the Earth.

Yes, someday the Church will have completed this mission. Sons and daughters of King Jesus will know who they are and will live out their identity as righteous people. Suffering will be brought to a minimum in the earth realm. Sin will have been massively decreased. The sex industry will have collapsed and broken families will be restored. People will live longer, healthier and more joy-filled lives. There will be no more orphans, no more starvation, and sickness will be rare.

All the enemies of God will bow under Jesus’ feet until finally death is put under His feet as the last foe (1 Cor. 15:26). All other foes will be subdued as we put them under our feet (Romans 16:20).

The day will come when the culturing of the Apostolos has completed the Apostolic Mission. On that day, Jesus will be able to touch His toe to earth in physical form and finally say as the Roman Emperor’s did in days past, “This place feels a lot like home!”

 

 

Now I want to end with a few more quotes.

This first quote is from Max Muller, who influenced Theosophy, Spiritualism, and Neitzsche (and others) in the 1800’s.

“Christianity is Christianity by this one fundamental truth, that as God is the Father of man, so truly, and not poetically or metaphorically only, man is the son of God, participating in God’s very essence and nature, though separated from God by self and sin. This oneness of nature between the Divine and the Human does not lower the concept of God by bringing it nearer to the level of humanity: on the contrary, it raises the old concept of man, and brings it nearer to its true ideal. ”

Berkhof shines more light on the philosophical antecedents of Kenosis when he writes: “The theory is based on the pantheistic conception that God and man are not so absolutely different but that the one can be transformed into the other. The Hegelian idea of becoming is applied to God, and the absolute line of demarcation is obliterated.”18 The theologians who concocted this heresy were German scholars steeped in the insidious philosophy of Hegel, the forerunner of both communism and fascism.”

” Menken’s Pietism abandoned the traditional emphasis on the doctrine of original sin as the imputation of Adam’s guilt to his descendants, and taught only that all human beings inherit the tendency to sin. Inasmuch as sin became less radical in its effects, a less radical salvation was required, and Christology underwent a certain modification. Menken interpreted the concept of self-emptying, or kenosis, in the Epistle of Philippians in terms of a complete laying aside by Christ of his divine attributes…Menken’s kenotic ideas were carried further by Gottfried Thomasius (1802-1875)…(Thomasisus) taught that the divine Logos laid aside all of the attributes of deity incompatible with humanity, especially his omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience. This view was developed by Bishop Hans Martensen…(this) new kenotic theory appears to apply to deity the limitations of humanity. Rather than stressing that God became incarnate in one man, Jesus Christ, with all of the conceptual problems such a doctrine brings, this new view suggested a kind of dialectical humanization of God…”

My point ? The NAR and its “theologians” have more in common with Max Muller, Hegel, and Thomasius than the Bible. The image of God is being perverted and the image of man is being exalted. Those connected to the NAR, whether it’s Bill Johnson or Harold Eberle, MUST answer these issues.

Church – speak out and demand change and call for repentance before it is too late !!

 

 

Partial Preterism is a Virus; The Raptureless Strain

Here is an example of partial preterist teaching.  This virus is running rampant in many popular churches.  The following is  from the book Raptureless by Jonathan Welton. Words in bold are Dr. Welton’s. ”

 

“Many Bible verses speak of the early Church’s experience of persecution, but we must be careful to read these verses in their historical context.  We must not apply the historical reality that they faced to all generations, for all time.  Following are some passages that speak of persecution:

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.” (Matt 5:10-12)

Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you (Matt 5:43)

And I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do (Luke 12:4)

“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’[b] If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Whoever hates me hates my Father as well. 24 If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. 25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.” (John 15:18-25)

“I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.” (John 16:33)

“And they agreed with him, and when they had called for the apostles and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. 41 So they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name.”(Acts 5:40-41)

We must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God” (Acts 14:22)

“But you have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance, 11 persecutions, afflictions, which happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra—what persecutions I endured. And out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.” (2  Timothy 3:10-13)

This passage could easily be misinterpreted as applying to all Christians for all time.  However, the context is clearly the last days of Jerusalem (AD30-70), as Second Timothy 3:1, nine verses earlier, makes obvious.

Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds.” (James 1:2)

“In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials.” (1 Peter 1:6)

Dear friends, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that has come on you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you” (1 Peter 4:12)

When considered in their historical context and with the understanding that most of the “endtimes” events prophesied in the Bible happened in AD 70, we can see that these verses were written regarding only the earliest period of Church history (AD 30-70)….

The New Testament was written regarding first-century realities.  It does not teach an expectation that all Christians are to suffer persecution for all time.  Even Jesus wasn’t persecuted as much as some with the persecution mindset say Christians should be…

Jesus was beloved of sinners, and even the government leaders found no fault in Him (see Matt. 27:23-24)…..”

Chapter Points

The New Testament verses about persecution applied to specific people and circumstances historically, and they are not to be read as statements that apply to all people for all time.

In their historical context, these verses tell us about the intense persecution Christians faced leading up to the AD 70 destruction of Jerusalem.

Though persecution has always existed, we should not expect it, call it evidence of the radical Christian life, or believe it is the “seed bed” of Christianity.

Much of the persecution that Jesus and the early Church experience happened at the hands of the religious leaders.

When Jesus said to deny yourself, He was talking to potential converts (not believers), telling them about the cost of being His followers and the scorn it would bring upon them in that day.

Taken from pages 177-182 Raptureless Third Edition by Jonathan Welton

Do you see it ?

Does this bother anyone else ?

The more I investigate preterism….the more I see how destructive it is to the very foundations of the faith.  It is a virus that eats away at the Word of God and the Voice of the Holy Spirit.  It minimizes the nature of the Word and exalts the mind of man. We need to start holding these teachers and supporters of preterism accountable for their man-centered philosophies and intellectual exercises. Do you agree ?

 

Preterism and Reality

J. N. D. Kelly, who was Principal of St. Edmund Hall at Oxford and was an authority on the theology and thoughts of the Church fathers, wrote the following.

“Four chief moments dominate the eschatological expectation of early Christian theology – the return of Christ, known as the Parousia, the resurrection, the judgment, and the catastrophic ending of the present world-order.”

Here they are again…..

1.The return of Christ, known as the Parousia

2. The resurrection

3. The judgment

4. The catastrophic ending of the present world-order

If the destruction of the temple in 70AD was so important (Jonathan Welton teaches that it is equivalent to the virgin birth, the cross, and the resurrection) then why was it not a part of the eschatological expectation/fulfillment of the Church fathers? Why didn’t they write about it or explain its significance?

This great major event (again up there with the cross, the virgin birth and the resurrection) is never explained or talked about in New Testament letters or by Polycarp, or Iranaeus, or Justin Martyr or Cyprian or Hyppolytus or Barnabus or Clement or Ignatius or Papias or Tertullian and on and on.

(phew thank you Lord that they remembered to write about redemption, the cross, the antichrist and the 1,000 year reign, upon the earth, of Jesus Christ)

You want to know about redemption? Read just about any letter or gospel in the New Testament or Iranaeus or Polycarp or Tertullian or….

You want to understand the cross? Read just about any letter or gospel in the New Testament or Clement or Justin Martyr or….

The resurrection? You get the point.

You want to read or study about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD and how essential it is to the Christian faith or even eschatology?

Oh…..well you can follow modern day teachers who take obscure passages, then allegorize where they need to, and then add man-centered philosophy; or you can join their Supernatural Online Bible Schools…But don’t bother going to the Word of God because you won’t find what you are looking for. Don’t investigate the early church either because they never mentioned it.

In fact….there is no celebration of 70AD and the erasure of the Old Covenant (finally) by anyone in the early church.  Not one leader of the early church told us how happy they were to be free from the Old Covenant temple leaders and system.  No one expressed their gratitude to Jesus Christ that the priests and the people that remained in Jerusalem were slaughtered and finally removed. No Church father mentioned Jesus Christ returning in the clouds (in judgment) over Jerusalem.  Silence…..

Why ?

Because they were busy writing and teaching about the cross…redemption…judgment…resurrection..the antichrist….the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ…the dark days that would come at the final end of the age….!

The Apostle John, who lived for 30 years after the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, never wrote about its importance or earth shattering relevance. He never spoke of the Old Covenant and the New Covenant co-existing for 40 years.  He never cried out in joy over the death and destruction that took place as though it was some amazing, wonderful, event that Christians had been waiting for.

Did we need to wait 1900 years…

to finally have teachers smart enough to take obscure passages

and mix in a bunch of allegory

and philosophical fluff to see the light?

Come on.

Preterism is a philosophy.

A worldview that removes judgment and tells the church that the world is getting better all the time.

Hip Hip Hooray !

Listening to a teacher of preterism is like going to a football game

and only watching the cheerleaders

and then claiming that it was the greatest game you have ever seen

but you don’t know what the final score was or who won.

OH WAIT.

Sorry.

The Apostle John does have something to say about preterism.

“Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.”

1 John 5:21

Optimistic Eschatoloy….Fantasy or Reality ?

1.  If the Book of Revelation was written after 70AD, then Optimistic Eschatology loses its foundation. History points to a 90AD to 95AD authorship. The majority of scholars agree. If your whole house loses its foundation based upon the dating of one book, then maybe you have built upon a faulty foundation ?

2.The optimistic eschatologist “leads” you to believe that the Greek word “ge” is only used to refer to a local inhabited civilization or to the land of a particular nation. They need this definition to be accepted so they can “prove” that the Book of Revelation and 2 Peter 3:10 refer to Jerusalem and Israel in 70AD.

Here are two of at least 150 clear examples that “ge” refers to much more than a local civilization.

1 Corinthians 10:26 “ For the earth is the Lord’s, and the fulness thereof.”

Hebrews 1:10  “ Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:”

The Greek word “ge” can refer to a specific location.  For example

Matthew 2:21  “And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel.”

But do you see the difference ? The context determines how to determine what “ge” is referring to. In the Matthew passage they are leaving Egypt and entering the land of Israel.  “Ge” is obviously referring to one local inhabited civilization to another.

Now look at 2 Peter 3.  The whole chapter speaks of creation and the judgment of the flood.  Neither of those were local events.  Only someone practicing eisegesis could come to the conclusion that Peter was writing about 70AD.  Eisegesis  is the transferring of one’s own opinion, bias, or filter upon a passage of Scripture.  It is actually a form of control and manipulation. Apply the same principle to the usage of the Greek word “ge” to the Book of Revelation and you will understand that it is written for the whole church, throughout the whole earth, for all of our days, until the consummation of all things.

3.  Optimistic eshcatologists need you to believe that Nero was the antichrist so that the events of the Book of Revelaton fit into their 70AD timeline.  Nero died on June the 9th in 68AD.  Vespasian was the actually Emperor who lived during the events of 70AD.   His son Titus oversaw the sacking and destroying of Jerusalem.  So why do they claim Nero was the Antichrist ? Because they need him to be.  Optomistic eschatologists  use a form of historical eisegesis to get this one to work.  They force their filter upon history combined with bits of the Bible.  Some in the early church expected Nero to come back from the dead and reign as the antichrist.  Nero was a shadow of the antichrist.  Just like Antiochus Epiphanes was.  Or Hitler.  He was definitely evil but did not come near to fulfilling anything expected of the antichrist.

4.  Mathew 24:34 “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”  Optimistic eschatologists need a generation to be 40 years so that this verse and all of the Olivet discourse and the Book of Revelation applies to the people living in the days preceding 70AD. A generation is never defined as 40 years.  It could be 70 or 38.  Or 116 or 52.  The point is that deciding a generation is 40 years is another form of eisegesis. Forcing your filter, view or bias on a passage.  Did the generation that was alive in 70 AD experience Mattew 24:30,31 ?

“And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

If they did then there is no return of the Lord for this generation or even the next.  The Second Coming already took place.

5.  Optimistic eschatologists distort the historical record.  The belief in the antichrist (future and personal) was in the early church.  There is no reference to 70AD in any way other than as a fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy. There is no “chatter” among the church fathers of all the amazing things that happened and were fulfilled by the destruction of Jerusalem.  Chiliasm (the belief in a future 1,000 year reign of the returned Lord upon the actual earth) was the predominant view.  The Roman Catholic Church began killing chiliasts systematically in later years. The Roman Church needed to eradicate those who believed in the return and rule of Christ, because it conflicted with its elevation of the Pope and the Roman Catholic Church to a place of dominion over the earth.

The oldest known complete commentary that we have from the early church is Hippolytus’ Commentary on the Book of Daniel (210 A.D.) In that commentary, the future reign of Christ on earth is discussed.  Hippolytus also wrote of a future desolation by a coming antichrist and compared it to the desecration committed by Anitochus Epiphanes. He also referred to “the final week of the world”.

Tertullian (160AD to 220) even commented on the two witnesses in Revelation 11 and said,

“Enoch was translated and so was Elijah. They did not experience death because it was postponed.  They have been reserved for the suffering of death, so that by their blood they may extinguish the Antichrist.